Ex Boy,s RAC memories.

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mick burgess
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Service Details: Joined Boy's Sqn RAC Sepy 1956
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Benghazi, Cyprus, Perham Down, Lulworth,
Tidworth, Herford, Manchester, Lulworth,
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Ex Boy,s RAC memories.

Post by mick burgess » Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:20 pm

Thought any of you Ex Boy Soldiers might be interested in this,great memories.

“”Under the Spanner.””.
This is for all us Bovvy Brats with love and fond memories

When I was 15 and just a lad I would join the Army
Just like my Dad…I made up my mind and thought no more
I was off to join the Royal Armoured Corps.
I left my home ,never to return to travel the world was my yearn
From Oswestry to Paddington then on the tube to Waterloo.
Id never been this far on my own and I made it to Wool
On my Tod Sloan.
Get on that Truck your off to Camp and minutes later I arrived at
Bovvy the next time we did it, we walked all the way.
Did we piddle in the Piddle or was that later
First the bed space then to the Stores”This lot is all yours”said a God(who
Turned out to be a Corporal in the 5th Skins and not a God at all)
One on, one in the laundry bundle and one in your kit layout.
The cry went up” This doesn’t fit” came the reply” Youll grow into it.”.
Ammo boots all pimply and heavy as hell, they needed Bulling, you could tell.
Money changed hand for cleaning kit but there was no change(never any change)
We got big pot mugs that never did last, I got through a few so I bet, did you.!
And we sent our civvies home in a brown paper bag.We were in the Army now!!!
Short back and sides was the order of the day and I cant remember if we had to pay?
Then came the Number all twos and things.Ill never remember this,. what a swine,
But yes I still remember mine,without my last four it would be a sin because Id never be able to remember my pin.(how does the rest of the world manage without them)
Then came the Square and the Drill . where I learnt to count, Up yours two, three.
When passing the phone box in the camp centre wed pop in to see, if by pressing button B we could afford a cut of tea There was a small café nearby where Dell Shannon was Running Away,(,I wish),
We never phoned home cos home had no phone, but we couldn’t resist a quick press.
Passing the Guard Room took courage The Provost Sgt (Piggy Abrahams) was looking out for Tankies,give your beret a tweek and youd be wearing a tin hat for a week.A tin hat for a week was no fun. Wheres my hankie. A tear in my eye for Days long gone bye. By Gum they was fun..
I could have gone for a Dragoon ,Lancer or Hussar
But right now Im just a Junior Troopha ( it rhymes)
And when Im finished here where shall I go The worlds at my feet,Oh Joy
I may go to Honkers Aden or Cyprus, Sigapore or Libiya (But not N.I)
Then they all shouted out in har- mon- y “Not you you Bugger.Your off to
Jar- mon- y

That’s Your lot Folks.. Mick :roll: :oops: :cry: :lol:

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Post by PINKY » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:19 am

Great poem. I did JLRRAC in 79/80 and although it was only 15 months it was probably a doddle compared to your time Mick? I guess each generation was different and no doubt each found it hard in there own way. It wasn’t meant to be easy, it certainly opened my eyes to the real world.
Today’s army and today’s lads are certainly missing out on a truly magnificent experience which turns boys into young soldiers.
Thanks for sharing.
My troop from back then has it’s own FB page and about 20 of us chat on it now and again.
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Post by PINKY » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:19 am

Great poem. I did JLRRAC in 79/80 and although it was only 15 months it was probably a doddle compared to your time Mick? I guess each generation was different and no doubt each found it hard in there own way. It wasn’t meant to be easy, it certainly opened my eyes to the real world.
Today’s army and today’s lads are certainly missing out on a truly magnificent experience which turns boys into young soldiers.
Thanks for sharing.
My troop from back then has it’s own FB page and about 20 of us chat on it now and again.
Pinky

mick burgess
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Joined C Sqn Celle Feb 1960
Posted Hohne Regt came together1961
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Tidworth, Herford, Manchester, Lulworth,
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Post by mick burgess » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:11 pm

Your right Pinky it was tough to start a cultural shock but it prepared us for the real world and independence.
Some times I feel a type of national service now would be a good grounding for the youth of today to sort them out.
But sadly political correctness and human rights regulations I feel would water down the discipline so be ineffective.

Take care Mick

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Post by Bill Bentley » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:28 pm

Like both of you I too was a former J.L., 1970-72, and I would not want to have missed one second of it. I am sure that I was, (probably still am), very naive and it was thanks to the experience, dedication and decency of the Permanent Staff that I was ushered on to the right paths. Having been a young teeny in the 60's, meeting fire breathing JNCO's at Wool Railway Station was quite a shock ! It was, probably more than anybody else, our own Johnny Marcelle who got me to join the 14/20th. He was our PS SSM when I was J/SSM and he became a sort of father figure for me and we remained friends until he passed away.

Mick; I remember you also as a WOII, though we had very little direct contact. Enough said that you achieved everything that I would have wanted to, had I stayed in and become a lifer, I doff my cap to you! That said, it's a good job that you stayed in, had you left and become a poet you would have been very hungry indeed :lol:

On one point I would choose to disagree with both of you: Did the army, JL's, really prepare us for life ? It certainly made us into better soldiers. About 90% of the Para Sqn RAC were former JL's and many went to the SAS when we were disbanded. But those of us that did not become lifers all had considerable problems fitting into civi-street. The system could have done so much more ... upon leaving the army, as a single person, for me there was NO CHANCE of getting accommodation, no points on the waiting list ! Why was I not registered as a matter of form on enlistment ? As a B1 gunner, B2 Signals, B3 tracked vehicle driver mech, sniper, sharpshooter, paratrooper, 1st class infantry soldier, RAMC trained 1st class medic and a dozen or more other qualifications, my release papers suggested that I could be employed as a petrol pump attendant (unsupervised).

Ok, life throws a lot of shit at us and we all have to find our own way through and I am certain that yes, JL's gave me/us the foundations to allow me/us to find a way. But the system was and probably still is very flawed and will continue to cause problems for soldiers when they leave the armed forces and that is a great shame.

As for conscription YES ! But, does it always have to be 'hands on the gun' ? Here in Germany we have the THW, blue uniformed, skilled, servicemen. They are often engineers or technicians, medics etc. and can be used in any form of disaster from a multiple car crash to an earthquake, when forests burn or rivers burst their banks. They serve the needs of the people and it seems to me that that is the whole point of what government should be aiming at. They also get deployed overseas HELPING other peoples in need. When they come home they are regarded as heroes and the peoples in far away lands remember them with affection and respect. :idea:

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Post by PINKY » Sun Jul 08, 2018 5:41 pm

Howdy,
These day soldiers get 'resettlement' advise before they get out, irrelevant of time served. Not sure of all what is involved but I recall being on 'resettlement' for a month or two (maybe). Its better than nothing.
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German football fans quiet Bill ?? LOL

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Post by Arnie » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:37 am

Hi Yall,

Mick,
good topic, though I didn't do JL, when I had a 'bit' in, I noticed all the lads who had been in, including yourself, were great role models.

Bill,
I was in the Int Corps when I was approaching the end of my service and they did have resettlement courses run by the RAEC. You have an interview about 2 years before you were to leave. They wanted to know what you were planning for 'civvy st'. Being a joker all my life I was determined to tell them I wanted to be a Pimp, or a Porn movie star, just to a. see the reaction and b. what courses they would send me on. I know I chickened out when it came to the crunch.
Was sent on a Security Course in Plymouth, all Services. Me, I sat there through the course hoping they would tell me something I didn't already know (my trade classification at the time was A1. Int and Security, and I was big headed.) Sitting there on the course I already had the position of Security Manager, for Bunnings, in Western Australia in my pocket.
As for Discharge Papers, as drafted mine said Conduct: Very Good (had been busted from L/cpl in 1960) I pointed out to them that the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act had been in force for some years and that all offences, except murder and treason were taken off the books after 7 years. So mine said when I left, Excemplary. As for the recommendations on the papers, mine was glowing bullshit, and so it should be because the Colonel who wrote it copied it word for word as I had drafted it. (No kidding).
When I joined the Army in 1959, I had a massive inferiority complex. When I left 22 years later, I had a massive superior complex, which I still have today (as you can tell).

Arnie :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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Post by Bill Bentley » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:13 pm

You're all correct. I also got a resettlement course, converted my HGV 3 into HGV 1 and got a Royal Society of Arts Certificate of Professional Competence in National and International Road Haulage. But on leaving 2 Para as a L/Cpl (I had been demoted from full screw on re-enlistment) and because I refused to do Senior Brecon, because I had already completed the SAS Selection which is rated higher, they refused to promote me. The joke was, I was also leading a COP team down on the border and instructing on their own NCO's cadres.

Even so, and I quote from the last side of my AF B 6325 (revised 1980): Job Description:
Principal Codot Occupations/Groups in which Service Employment experience may be utilized:

Petrol Service Station attendant
Motor Vehicle Serviceman
Builders Labourer (general)
Civil Engineering Labourer (general)
Other transport operating, materials moving and storing and related occupations

Of course I got a cracking write up in my Red Book and a heap of other recommendations and like you Arnie I had a cracking job lined up, but in the USA. I was tasked with setting up the emergency medical support for the Saudi Ambassador to the USA, worked with The Secret Service and had access to the FBI HQ.

By the time I retired I was working as a Property Surveyor, was an Energy Consultant and all of my objects were valued at way over a million Euro's.

But what the army gave me in terms of 'Resettlement' was useless. A posh driving license does not give you somewhere to live, a base from which you can expand and without an address nobody will give you a job. That's why I ended up re-enlisting in to 2 Para and made sure that I had something in my pocket before I left. I later again re-enlisted into the DLOY, BECAUSE I STILL COULD NOT COPE WITH CIVI STREET, without my dose of 'army', it was like a drug. 20 years after I got out for the third time I was still talking about 'them and us' (civi's and soldiers), still not accepting that I was one of them :? :?

I suppose my point is: there are more soldiers 'on the street' these days than at any time since just after WWII, so obviously 'Resettlement' is still not working ! I don't believe that all that many of the lads have PTSD as such, but after a couple of weeks living rough (and drinking too much) ugly memories can turn into monsters :twisted:.

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