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electric cars

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:38 pm
by bodge
Car buffs thinking of changing cars, read this first.
Just for your information.

I always wondered why we never saw a cost analysis on what it actually costs to operate an electric car. Now we know why.

At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro executive. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious. If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, he pointed out, you had to face certain realities. For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service.
The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than 3 houses with a single Tesla, each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded.
This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles .. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load. So as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy the damn things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive, new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This latter "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this dead-end road that it will be presented with an oops and a shrug.
If you want to argue with a green person over cars that are eco-friendly, just read the following:
Note: If you ARE a green person, read it anyway. Enlightening.
Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors...and he writes...For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.
It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.
According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile.
The gasoline powered car costs about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000........So the Government wants loyal citizens not to do the math, but simply pay 3 times as much for a car, that costs more than 7 times as much to run, and takes 3 times longer to drive across the country.....

Re: electric cars

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:01 pm
by Arnie
Hi Bodge and all,
could anybody answer me a question? How did a party with such limited policies ever get such power as the Greens?
A rudimentary investigation of the FACTS reveals that Global Warming is a huge hoax, happily promoted by that charlatan, Al Gore. You all know the man, who's net worth when he left off being Vice President,
was (self-confessed) a whole $2,000,000. After that clap-trap film an 'Inconvenient Truth' and its promotion, he has (again self-confessed) accumulated and swelled this into $100,000,000 (conservative). Every time he appears on TV to debate the idea he is soundly defeated, especially by people who know what they are talking about. Currently he is defending a Class Action brought by 30,000 + Scientists.
He made his name in this field by listening to the first man that put the idea of global warming forward in 1951/2. This professor admitted that he had been wrong before he died. Too late, all the charlatans had jumped on the band wagon, Al Gore being the prominent one. Al had been a student of this professor, and its not publicised enough that he had failed the course.
The Greens founding person in Australia was a guy called Bob Brown who became a Senator(?) from Tasmania. He also founded the Wilderness Party. Bob Brown's avowed goal was to be able to hike and trek through the bush, forests and mountains for 8 hours, BUT that would be spoiled, for him, if sitting on a rock in contemplation, an aircraft flew over even at an altitude of 20,000 ft. He has retired from politics, but the propaganda has insidiously remained.
Unfortunately the Greens have been prospering here and in UK, Europe and the States. Somebody must come to their senses soon.
Imagine how far the technology destined to be instituted into the UK in the near future would go with our 'tyranny of distance' .

Arnie :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Re: electric cars

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:08 pm
by bodge
Thanks and it got me digging. Here are some articles to add to the topic. ... -the-grid/

This is from the MIT Review and talks to some Californian numbers. Often a bell weather. From what I can see, if we were to apply it to UK, the current zero tax on electric cars will have to disappear and, change upwards to a tax on electric cars to pay for the network upgrade. So, everyone gets charged the same and, theoretically, some is 'ringfenced' for grid upgrades.

Will this be a show stopper? Time will tell, but care needed before writing off electric cars just yet as there seems to be pent up demand. ... 03613.html

But, EVEN if this is overcome, it is control of the supply of lithium (currently, the main constituent on the giant batteries needed) that might stop the whole in its tracks. The acronymn, OPEC, in this article gives a clue to a likely outcome: ... -cars.html

I quote:

Perhaps in response to how much the market has grown – and where it may progress to in coming years – the price of Chinese battery grade lithium is currently well over $20,000/tonne, compared to $7,000/tonne in mid-2015, according to mining analysis firm CRU.

"China has a stranglehold on lithium production," Speirs said. "Well organised and professionally run mining companies" make this enterprise profitable, he added.'
Horses and bikes anyone?