The Regiment in Stone

Discussions about a fitting memorial to the 14th/20th King's Hussars.
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The Regiment in Stone

Postby Bob_H » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:15 pm

Now that we know that the Regiment are at last to be properly represented within The National Memorial Arboretum my thoughts have turned to design.

1) Should it be just the hawk, our cap badge?

2) Should it include the scroll?

We may be limited on what can be achieved as far as detail goes and, of course, there are many designs of 'Hawk' that we could consider.

What are your own thoughts. How should 1420H be engraved in stone? Have you any examples or ideas to put forward?
Last edited by Bob_H on Wed Jan 15, 2014 11:03 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Reason: Improved clarity of image 3
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Re: The Regiment in Stone

Postby Johnny Morris » Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:57 pm

I like the look of Pictures 2 or 3, I would certainly like to see the scroll on there

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Re: The Regiment in Stone

Postby Brian Hunter » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:47 pm

My personal choice would be Picture number 2 but like Johnny I think what ever is used the scroll should definitely be on there.
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Re: The Regiment in Stone

Postby Bill Bentley » Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:01 am

I prefer version 3. Certainly throughout my service with the 14/20H, and I suspect throughout the service of almost everyone still alive, we wore our Kukri's with great pride and I personally have always regarded the Gurkha's as considerable warriors and our affiliation to them as a great honour !

It might not be exactly historically correct to display Kukri's on a purely 14/20H monument, albeit just a paving stone, but we are at a moment in history when the Gurkha's need our support for their cause; pension rights and rights of living in the UK. Are we going to hide our Kukri's at a time like this ? I hope not !

I realise there are millions of foreigners who would like to reside in the UK and one way or another they all cost money ... of which there is a shortage for many a good cause for our own. But I should much rather share my last piece of bread with a man who has stood on the line for our country, than those who get in having no credentials. I would welcome a Gurkha as a neighbour and I would feel much safer on that side of my garden because of it. Not forgetting the super curries and nan bread parties etc.

Is it not time to show the colours and rally around our true friends, those who have been willing to die for us ?

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Re: The Regiment in Stone

Postby Phil(Quassie)Baldwin » Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:22 am

What Bill said for me
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Re: The Regiment in Stone

Postby Bob_H » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:31 pm

Bill,

Agreed.

I suspect the 'crown' and the '6' might give the engravers a problem. How about this which more accurately displays our sleeve kukri badges.
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Re: The Regiment in Stone

Postby pkay » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:00 am

I would prefer picture 3 with the 6 included if possible, other than that I agree with what bill said.

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Re: The Regiment in Stone

Postby jack woodruff » Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:06 am

HI visited the place were the Hawk will be placed early this year. And found like most Members of the TWO regts very little to remember us by.
So Bob's finally picture would be appropriate with an arrow point to a picture of the KRH hawk and Kukri's.
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Re: The Regiment in Stone

Postby Bob_H » Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:39 am

Image 2 is so far the most popular according to the Forum, FB and phone calls I've had. I've redone it here, making better use of the space available within a square (the kukris make the hawk much smaller). The next stage is to establish its engravability (if that's a word):

It represents the Regimental cap badge with a scroll which identifies us to all who are not familiar with our Regiment. In answer to those who support the addition of kukris It's been suggested that we should wait until we can progress to a Noahs Arc paving stone - for now lets get the Regiment to the fore.

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Re: The Regiment in Stone

Postby Bob_H » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:02 am

No further suggestions about the design of the actual Hawk.

Does anyone have a better or an alternative image? Note that 'FR' is not included in the current version - is that correct? What we want?
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Re: The Regiment in Stone

Postby Bill Bentley » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:00 pm

Bob_H wrote:No further suggestions about the design of the actual Hawk.

Does anyone have a better or an alternative image? Note that 'FR' is not included in the current version - is that correct? What we want?


Bob, I do not understand the 'FR' comment, could you elaborate please.

Smaller kukri's right and left above the scroll and below the Hawk ? The artwork is getting ever better :D

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Re: The Regiment in Stone

Postby Shep » Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:19 pm

Hi Bob
the new scroll looks brill
as with a few others i am proud to be associated with the Gurkahs
and am happy for them to be on our paving stone so to speak

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Re: The Regiment in Stone

Postby Paul W. Baker » Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:03 pm

Image

The Hawk on the ones above are that of the King's Royal Hussars with the FR removed. This Hawk is being bashed around on eBay as that of the 14th/20th King's Hussars which I suppose is my own fault! Red is/has been working his heart out on correcting the Hawk which I am trying to get out there as the proper Hawk which should be considered for this plaque. Hope this upload works via FB.

I should add this Hawk is still being worked on and is NOT the finished product.

For me Just the cap Badge. The Gurkhas deserve their own stone, I doubt they would insist the Hawk be placed on their stone. We wore the Kukris on our arms not the beret.

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Re: The Regiment in Stone

Postby Brian Moulton » Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:17 pm

Bob's version with improved scroll, no kukris. The FR needs to be researched a bit more. Think it has been discussed in the past and the reason it was dropped, but can't remember why.

As this is a regimental commemoration piece, can't see how the Ghurkas or Noah's Arc are relevant. The history of the regiment includes battles fought by them other than Medicina.

Sooner support reality rather than sentimentality.
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Re: The Regiment in Stone

Postby Paul W. Baker » Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:22 pm

Does the FR on the Cap badge represent Princess Frederica Charlotte of Prussia. It was not on the cap badge of the 1420H as far as I am aware though I may be wrong? It was however originally on the 14th Hussars and reintroduced for the KRH with the new cap badge on amalgamation. It is therefore not a 1420H requirement


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