National Arboretum Poll

Discussions about a fitting memorial to the 14th/20th King's Hussars.

Please indicate your 1420H Monument choice by choosing from the following options

Poll ended at Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:45 pm

I want a 14/20H Memorial, not interested in paving stones (please note that I am persuaded that the cost of this, and the approval, may well be out of our reach)
I want to hear more about the KRH Memorial before I decide
I'm happy to just go ahead with the KRH Memorial
No votes
I think we should take the opportunity for a 14th/20th King's Hussars Paving Stone in addition to the KRH Memorial
I think we should go for both the 1420H Paving Stone and the Noah's Arc Paving Stone in addition to the KRH Memorial
Total votes: 35

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National Arboretum Poll

Post by Bob_H » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:45 pm

We have received the following message from the Chairman of the KRH Regimental Association:
"At the recent KRH Trustees' Meeting, it was decided that a KRH Memorial would be erected at the National Memorial Arboretum, to recognize those members of the KRH, and its predecessor regiments, who served. It is hoped that it will be ready to be installed in the early Autumn 2014 and you will be informed.

At the same meeting the attached correspondence was considered. The Trustees determined that since the KRH did not exist in 1980, the date which General Patrick Cordingly wishes to see the Army represented, the KRH would not pay for its Badge to be engraved on a paving stone. However, I was tasked by the Chairman to discuss with you both whether you would wish to galvanize former RH and 14/20H old comrades into raising sufficient funds for the two respective Regimental cap badges to be engraved in Heroes' Square?

If you wish to take this forward, the Regimental Association will assist each of you with a grant of £1,000, thus you will only have to raise the sum of £2,000 to see your Regimental cap badge enhance the Square. Please let me have your views."
An initial response (Bob_H, Drac, Johnny Morris, Darryl Cartwright) has been sent to the Chairman. However, before we make firm commitments I'd like your views on the best way forward. Please make your choice using the poll above but also add your personal comments as you like. We want this to be open to all.

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Re: National Arboretum Poll

Post by Johnny Morris » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:35 pm

As much as I would like to see a 14/20th Memorial I believe that cost alone would make this prohibitively expensive and I understand we would be talking about £10's of thousands , from all the information I have seen it would also take several years to achieve it even if the money was available right now.

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Re: National Arboretum Poll

Post by Bob_H » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:45 pm


Apologies but I've now amended the wording of the poll (1). Both Johnny and Darryl make very valid points and we don't want to waste anyone's time. However, if you feel strongly, vote with your conscience, we'd still like to know.

If you've already voted and want to change your vote just re-vote on another selection.

Please rest assured that no action will be taken and no money paid until we've discussed this openly - I'm quite happy to express my personal views if members want it for guidance, and I'll do that soon or when asked for it. However I should add that in our response to the KRH Assoc Chairman we did ask what form the 14th/20th dedication will take on the KRH Memorial.

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Re: National Arboretum Poll

Post by Bill Bentley » Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:06 pm

Looking at the speed with which donations have been coming in I fear it is illusory to expect the committee to further pursue the idea of having our own monument. On the other hand it seems to be realistic that we could still raise the 2000,- pounds for a 'paving stone in Heroes Square' ... (?) alongside a Royal Hussars paving stone (?).

I think, so that as many of us as possible might actually live to see 'whatever memorial it is to be', that we should focus our attention on what we can achieve as opposed to what we would have perhaps preferred.

I have voted for a 14/20KH paving stone as well as the KRH memorial and hope that our comittee and that of the Royal Hussars association will do the same.

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Re: National Arboretum Poll

Post by Bulldog » Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:10 pm

I agree that it may well be expensive but the Regiment (14th/20th Kings Hussars) should have its own dedication at the National Arboretum in one way or another.

I also believe the RH should have its own dedication

I believe we should not for forget the past,

I also believe we should we should not live in the past.

The KRH have there own modern history and I salute them and support them.

We should buy something we can afford.

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Re: National Arboretum Poll

Post by smudge077 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:49 pm

Everyone who has seen our plaque at the NMA feels quite strongly that it looks pathetic (I wouldn't be surprised if the tree was a cherry). As previously mentioned I understand that memorials mainly apply to regiments/orgs before 1980. Respects to those who may be wearing two hats, but any memorial should be specific to 14/20H, after all, in addition to all those killed in wars and conflicts, we have men buried all over the place including Germany and Mount Kenya. I think we should have to accept that it should be 14/20KH and not 14th and 20th Hussars, unlike the Royal Hussars who had an separate identity in modern times as 10th and 11th Hussars, but that's up to them.

Before people are asked to donate, I think a few options should be identified and aired with relevant costs as most of us have not been to the NMA. I can't understand why costs appear to be so high, I'm sure, and I'm only guessing, that the CWGC could produce an engraved stone with badge for a few hundred pounds (similar to war graves as its all done my machine now). Plus, there must be some Hawks out there who have some good contacts.

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Re: National Arboretum Poll

Post by Les » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:47 pm

I would dearly love our own 14/20H memorial but I have to agree with Bill, I think the final cost and the sheer amount of red tape put up by the British Legion will stop this in it's tracks. Some of you will know from my earlier posts I was already in contact with the Arboretum Curator on this subject when it was first raised here. There is a charge of £1000 just to ask permission to put a memorial up, then it gets into silly money. I think therefore the 14/20H paving stone option is probably the best course of action

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Re: National Arboretum Poll

Post by Mac McNulty » Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:15 pm

Hi Bob,

I will go with the paving stone along side the KRH Memorial. I echo other comments in particularly Bulldog & Bill's




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